After the brain melting experience of the previous podcast Mark is joined by Jesper Ottosen for a leisurely and broad discussion of different aspects of testing ranging from leadership, biases and leadership to forming your own learning pathway. Jesper also shares his reflections on the very awesome TestBash Home and how the wordplay in his song picks trigger different ways of thinking about testing.

https://www.ministryoftesting.com/dojo/lessons/testers-island-discs-ep36-jesper-ottosen